NatOrg Discussion Week 3: June 25 – July 1
This week there has been an eclectic mix
of topics surrounding the NatOrg. I will try my best to put them all down here
and summarise any agreements reached.
Versions 4 and 4-1 of the
NationalBodyProposal was put on the website for discussion. These points were
- It was suggested that payment by the Natcon for NatOrg
memberships be handled after the event, given that any monies left over
would be going to the NatOrg anyway.
- We suggested that Guests of Honour get honorary memberships.
- We agreed that we probably need a
document of some sort to go to fans, most of which could be done via
email, although we have to allow for costs of postage as some fans don’t
have internet access. Perhaps this could be a quarterly thing which gets
mailed to everyone where badges and membership info could be sent out.
- We discussed what seems to be a
lack of trust in our fellow fans in regard to club membership – eg the
potential for block voting. We also discussed more pitfalls in having club
membership. Perhaps all that is needed from the clubs is a reciprocal
agreement in regard to promotion of both parties where appropriate – or
the club acting as agents for the NatOrg.
Then we got on to the tricky topic of Membership. The main issues
were how membership would be measured, the dates for membership etc. Points
- Membership of the NatOrg comes
down to perspective. –whether you see the natcon and natorg as separate
entities that happen to work together, therefore membership as optional.
If the natcon is part of natorg then voluntary membership doesn’t quite
make sense – Martin Kealey (abridged)
- Finance of the NatOrg was again
discussed. It will take quite a lot of money to post out to fans details
of the NatOrg and will probably cost about $400 a time. This is a vote
against voluntary membership.
- There may be a need for membership
cards in the future (once we have discounts) and there may be difficulties
in doing this for individuals. But should they be cards or badges…another
issue of debate this week. We discussed having them go from Natcon to
Natcon (or AGM to AGM) but given that as with membership that doesn’t
equal a year there were many concerns. We are going to draw up a list of
pros and cons on the issue of membership dates.
- Remember that NatOrg is here to
enforce the “will of the fans”. At the end of the day fans will dictate
how NatOrg is set up/run, and what its powers will be.
- We discussed regulations a NatCon might have placed upon them.
At present the couple mooted are: Having a business session and holding
the awards. There would be some conditions attached to money given to the
bidding natcon but that’s about it
- Norman called a vote this week on two issues:
- Is it acceptable for a natcon member to automatically be a
member of the natorg?
- Is it acceptable to have clubs able to join, and thereby have
all their members as members of the Natorg?
Automatic Natorg membership on joining a natcon
Automatic Membership of the natorg along with club membership:
- We talked about the number of business sessions needed at Con
With the Wind. At this stage 2 or 3 may be needed.
- Suggested funding of NatOrg and Natcon fees.
eg, 100 people
register for the NatCon:
70 join the NatOrg at the same time and pay $60
10 opt out of NatOrg membership and pay $60
20 are already NatOrg members and pay $55
The NatCon is paid a total of $5900, and from that, pays
(70 x $5 = $350) to the NatOrg.
- We discussed how things worked at WorldCons and compared the
World Science Fiction Society to how we would run NatOrg. In some respects
we are trying to do more than the WSFS.
- We talked about promotion of NatOrg and speaking with libraries
to put up posters etc, getting bookmarks made with generic information on
them which could be distributed with cooperative bookshops around the
country. This would particularly help Southern Fandom. There are about 200
fans listed on the database but there aren’t too many active fen. Perhaps
we could advertise on like-minded websites like TheOneRing.Net? Scott
Marks of PORTAL offered some support.
- If there was no NatCon one year, then the expiry date for
membership could be the end of June, Norman suggested. Day members for the
NatCon could also be members of the NatOrg for the day they registered (if
they wished to) and registered on the day of the AGM.
- For CWTW (since NatOrg won’t exist yet) we would probably have
to ask for donations from individuals and if CWTW wished to give us
something then that would be great. We may also have trouble with Emoticon
(2002) because memberships have already been taken.
The list of pros and cons regarding
membership expiry dates will be available later this week. As with all other
summaries, please let me know of any alterations or additions required.